Vintage Drum Forum the best vintage drum forum on the Internet - Vintage Drum History - Vintage Drum Questions

Go Back   Vintage Drum Forum > Vintage Drums

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-17-2020, 12:10 PM
Scotty A Scotty A is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 12
Default Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

The Ď68 Slingerland catalogue describes the Buddy Rich snare model as solid shell. Two years later Slingerland came out with the 4 x 14. Before the 4 x 14, did Buddy actually play a solid shell?

And thereís been some discussion here about how a chrome wrap affects the sound of a drum (Tommy P).

My question is, how?

Scotty A
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-17-2020, 01:06 PM
Tommyp's Avatar
Tommyp Tommyp is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,313
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty A View Post
The Ď68 Slingerland catalogue describes the Buddy Rich snare model as solid shell. Two years later Slingerland came out with the 4 x 14. Before the 4 x 14, did Buddy actually play a solid shell?

And thereís been some discussion here about how a chrome wrap affects the sound of a drum (Tommy P).

My question is, how?

Scotty A


Hello Scotty A!
A BR query always seems to lure me out! <smile!> Yes indeed ... the 1968 Slingerland "Artist", was available as a solid shell and as a 3 ply with rings build as well. Buddy did play it in it's solid shell configuration, but not for very long. He seemed to prefer the 3 ply with rings model more. I have always suspected that the 3 ply model was just a little brighter than the solid shell .. and .. that was proved when I was able to play both of 'em when I was assembling my Buddy Rich Snare Drum History/Collection of snare drums. The 3 ply variant was indeed just a bit more lively .. and again .. just my thoughts on the possible why. Only Buddy knew for sure! As to the Slingerland 4X14 Buddy Rich model/models ...

... Buddy was playing that drum as early as 1969!, well before it's actual release in 1970! Typical though, as Slingerland did that a lot with Buddy. He started with the 3 ply/rings in WMP, but quickly went over to the COW 4X14, which was also 3 ply/rings. Having both those drums in the collection, I was able to A/B both using identical tunings and heads. The COW was indeed brighter than the wrapped in WMP model! Not by a lot, but enough where I could actually hear the difference. My thought on that is that the REAL spring steel/chrome wrap is just brighter sounding .. plus .. it's a bit thinner than the WMP wrap, allowing the drum to "open up" a bit more. Buddy stayed with the COW 4X14 up until Slingerland presented him with the Buddy Rich TDR model which was a 5 ply no rings NEW shell. I want to add that ALL these drums featured Slingerland's StickChopper hoops which Buddy really liked. So, hopefully this answered your questions! I will say, and this is my quote too, although it's been borrowed by MANY over the years: When it comes to snare drums, Buddy LOVED the drum! ... until he didn't! <smile!>

Tommyp
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-17-2020, 04:29 PM
idrum4fun idrum4fun is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,635
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Hi TP!

Very glad that you were "lured out" with this one! Always great to hear about Buddy...and his snare drums in particular!

-Mark
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-17-2020, 05:56 PM
slingerfan slingerfan is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 883
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty A View Post
The Ď68 Slingerland catalogue describes the Buddy Rich snare model as solid shell.

Scotty A
Scotty, regardless of what is shown in the catalogs there were very few solid shell Artists produced after early '65.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-17-2020, 06:38 PM
Tommyp's Avatar
Tommyp Tommyp is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,313
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Mark!
THANK YOU kindly! .. and .. whereas I am here every day keeping things neat and tidy, I rarely comment, but ... Buddy will do it every time! <smile>

Slingerfan!
You are correct on that! The catalogs weren’t infallible by any means, and especially so with dates and models actually shown in the catalogs!

Tommyp
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-18-2020, 10:06 AM
leedybdp leedybdp is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,257
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyp View Post
Mark!
THANK YOU kindly! .. and .. whereas I am here every day keeping things neat and tidy, I rarely comment, but ... Buddy will do it every time! <smile>

Slingerfan!
You are correct on that! The catalogs werenít infallible by any means, and especially so with dates and models actually shown in the catalogs!

Tommyp
AMEN! To all the catalog-retentive members in here.
__________________
No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-18-2020, 11:42 AM
O-Lugs O-Lugs is online now
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 4,676
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

^Yeah, well it really doesn't matter about the catalog references IF Buddy Rich's name is associated with a particular type of drum. Celebrity-association is an exception (as I have stated about a billion times already). But, if there is no celebrity association to a drum or a configuration, then a catalog referenced configuration is what a collector would more than likely look for.

Catalogs were not infallible,(and were never meant to be, as such, back then). However, most of the time, they help to distinguish a level of collectibility and value in the modern world of today. Some members *cough* don't seem to be able to get their minds out of the past. None of these details mattered much 50 or 60 years ago. That's for certain. But, now they DO matter.

I don't really get into the celebrity-associated drums or configurations...just not my thing....but Buddy Rich, Ringo and Bonham are exceptions to the catalog referenced drums, as far as value and collectibility. No one will ever look to collect a configuration that was thought up by Joe Shmoe from down the street....unless Joe Shmoe from down the street happens to become one of the most influential drummers of our time. And, in my personal opinion, the era of that ilk of drummers is gone and will never return. In other words, there will never be the equivalent of Buddy Rich, Ringo or Bonham, again. Sure there will be great drummers...but not in the way that those guys were great.
__________________
"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-18-2020, 01:05 PM
Scotty A Scotty A is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 12
Default Re: Buddy Rich Slingerland Snare

Tommy Pís response raises a couple more questions fro me.

Iím a Slingerland COW fanatic. Is there anyone besides me that wishes the new Slingerland would bring back this wrap finish?

More importantly, and more Tommy P bait, why did Buddy prefer stick choppers? And what did they do for the sound of a snare?

Scott A
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2009 VSDwebdesign