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Old 12-10-2017, 06:21 PM
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Default Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

Hello vintage Ludwig fans
Here are some pics of my ongoing club date project

I was bored and surfing the bay and impulsively I bid on this keystone badge red sparkle partial with nickel hardware

The seller advertised it as 20"12" 13" no snare, no floor,
The drums arrived and were actually 20" bass with two 12" toms
no resonant side hoops or hardware on any of the three
what was worse was one 12" drum had nickel like the bass
But the other had chrome hardware. I was thinking to sell the second tom to finance some of the nickel stuff but just set it aside

I messaged "three on the floor" Chris
for help finding parts and he suggested I sell off the nickel
and re-fit the whole kit in chrome

only trouble was
I liked the antique look the nickel hardware gave too much
to take his very sound advice

He warned me I would be upside down finding everything needed in Nickel
Well he sure was right about that not only am I upside down
I think my pockets are inside out $$ already
and the pics will show my limited progress so far

The 1 reversible mod I mention in the thread title
is the very top section of the rail assembly was missing the "L" rod bracket, and fasteners
I wanted to hang the one 12"drum so as a temporary measure
I used some mij parts
On many 70s Pearl made stencil kits they use a rail assembly that is a complete clone of the 60's Ludwig but for having a U shaped rather L shaped rod
This was to accommodate double toms which by then were more common.
I simply unbolted it from the pearl bass drum and installed it on the club date they fit together perfectly
after hanging the one tom as would be original
that second upright spike looked funny with nothing to do I thought maybe a cowbell??
Then the ole' light bulb went on and I remembered the other 12"drum
I have since bought all the hardware needed to convert the second drum to nickel
None of it has arrived yet save for the cymbal arm (pictured)
as can be seen I found a floor tom that needs re-covering and a total nickel switch
I also found a pioneer snare with nickel save for the chrome p-83 and butt end.

Chris I should have listened buddy

Stay away from nickel boys and girls hehe groooan !!

Kenwood
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Old 12-10-2017, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

Coming together nicely! Yes, i've been down the hunting for nickel road before as well. And it can be a rough road. I built a maple Club Date kit from bare shells and decided to go nickel. The 12" hoops were the hardest to find. Nice job on the modification!

Mike
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Old 12-10-2017, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

Hello Mike
Thank You kindly pal
I bought one 12" nickel hoop for 40.00 plus shipping
which has slightly different ears on it when compared to the one original
I have since found two more matching, and the rods for the second tom from Allan Fogel
My difficulty seems to be the bass drum tee rods and claws
and a red sparkle floor tom or parts in the nickel
I will trade the hardware or the whole floor tom (pictured)
for one that matches or pay outright
Anthony at village drum can re -wrap this one for me
but has already cautioned that the match will not be as close as I might prefer

For that reason I am being patient to try and find an original red sparkle drum or shell.
I have a set of large nickel bowties but missed out on some nickel legs and brackets
being outbid by just a few lousy bucks in a down to the wire eBay auction

As for the mod it was totally out of temporary necessity
and went together as simple as 1,2,3,

On the mij side I normally dislike double mounted toms
The 12" and 13" often look overwhelming on the 20" bass drum
on the club date kit the two small equal sized 12" toms mounted tight together
via the Pearl U rod looks somehow much nicer to my eye
and gives the kit a unique feature rather the run of the mill clubbie set up
The beauty being it can be reversed in minutes to a 100% original config

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Old 12-14-2017, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

Great looking project. Way to make it work for you.

Just curious if you cleaned/polished that hardware yet? Iíve heard great things about cape cod clothes for nickel. Best to you on finishing up the kit.

Curtis
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

Nickel is soooo classic, though.
You've already got the cymbal arm, which I would think would be a very tough find.
When you are done it will be well worth it....staying the course has "Heart Value"....!!
Best of luck on a speedy conclusion...!!
Looking forward to completion, my friend.
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:42 AM
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Hello Curtis
Thanks for the positive reply
I have not touched any of the nickel hardware yet
but yes, I have heard the same good things regarding the Cape Cod cloth
And I sure do appreciate the best wishes on completing the kit ^5's
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:34 AM
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Hello Kevin
You are so right about the classic look the nickel hardware gives the drums
with the red sparkle they remind me of an antique fire engine
so much so, that I may use an old fire company emblem on the resonant head
I lucked into the cymbal arm it just showed up
I think it may be a little earlier than the drums as it came with the mount bracket and that is a tad earlier design
but it was totally nickel and in nice shape so I said why not
I agree the expense and frustration will melt away once finished
And I thank you most kindly for the great encouragement there pal

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Old 12-22-2017, 09:32 AM
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Hello Kevin
You are so right about the classic look the nickel hardware gives the drums
with the red sparkle they remind me of an antique fire engine
so much so, that I may use an old fire company emblem on the resonant head
I lucked into the cymbal arm it just showed up
I think it may be a little earlier than the drums as it came with the mount bracket and that is a tad earlier design
but it was totally nickel and in nice shape so I said why not
I agree the expense and frustration will melt away once finished
And I thank you most kindly for the great encouragement there pal
Yessir, and thank you as well...!!
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Old 12-24-2017, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig club date with 1 reversable mod

UPDATE: I mentioned earlier I had been outbid
for a set of nickel floor tom legs and brackets in an eBay auction
I had won a set of small bowties a set of large bowties and a tom mount all in nickel
and all on the same evening and from the same seller.

That seller and I struck up a rapport as we traded messages about details, shipping, ect ect
I mentioned though I was happy to get the things I did win I was bummed to have lost out on the legs and brackets

a few days ago that seller e-mailed me to say his buyer on the legs was having trouble with the fit
it seems his club date floor tom had those first gen regular style brackets and not the clipper type

My seller put me in touch with that buyer and those parts are now on the way
as an added bonus through my conversations with this new seller
he also had one 12" hoop and twelve mounted tom rods all in nickel

So for my floor tom that still needs to be re-covered in red sparkle I have the lugs, the legs the leg brackets
I still need the twelve long rods, a couple ball bat mufflers,and two 14" hoops all in nickel

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Old 12-24-2017, 01:42 PM
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Your drums don't look faded to me; I'm thinking new red sparkle will look fine. Also, when you polish up your nickel, the chrome parts won't stand out so much; you'll notice the difference, but others might not. Ludwig used to send out kits with mixed finishes-hard to believe, but true.
People say a plating shop can strip chrome off hardware & leave the nickel plating; I've never had it done, but worth checking out.
btw, I think your double mount is the cleanest set-up--don't know why Ludwig didn't go that route. I love my red sparkle Club Dates.......marko
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