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Old 07-03-2019, 11:35 PM
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BINGO! You nailed it.

https://youtu.be/-XahdWlQ4Mw

It's a 24" paper-thin ride.
"I didn't hear no bell" !!


Too thin for me. But it has stick.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:27 PM
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So it's made to look and sound like an old bell with new cymbal ?
I think the idea behind the bell design was to attenuate the overtones a little, and I suspect that this is for "wash control."
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:33 PM
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"I didn't hear no bell" !!


Too thin for me. But it has stick.
To get thin yet with stick is a difficult combination arrive at. The profile is hammered up a bit more. Remember when we were talking about thin cymbals with umbrella profiles? It's a very touchy process to get that the design parameters of thinnes vs. profile to work together just right, but I think this one "threads the needle" pretty well.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:18 PM
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So it's made to look and sound like an old bell with new cymbal ?
No. It is not made to look like, and sound like, an older bell with a dark patina. It a raw unlathed bell and up close it looks completely different, and often feels different to the touch than old lathed and finished bells.

When struck the unlathed and unfinished area tends to sound very dry and different and affects the overall sound and definition of the cymbal.There are plenty of cymbal models available these days from most of the manufacturers that are made using various versions of this technique. Sometimes the unlathed and unfinished bell area is extended out, sometimes it's in a band further down on the cymbal, and sometimes the entire cymbal is unfinished an unlathed. My son and I once owned a 22" Bosphorus Turk model that was completely unlathed and unfinished.

Here is a cymbal from Meinl with the bell and surrounding area unlathed and unfinished, and a completely unlathed and raw cymbal from Turkish. The raw texture of the unfinished part varies depending on the manufacturers intent. Sometimes the unfinished area looks and feels rougher and sometime it looks and feels smoother.

While I was a bit surprised you're never seen any cymbals using this technique before, you did say that you were not a cymbal guy.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:25 PM
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add "Legado" to smaller company ebay search. done. There's a couple on the bay:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...LH_TitleDesc=0

(legado, supernatural, anatolian, samsun, soultone, trx, impression, buzin, diril, spizzichino, amedia) heheh..
every now and I drop down there to that search
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:03 AM
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I think the idea behind the bell design was to attenuate the overtones a little, and I suspect that this is for "wash control."
The wash is still too much for me, comes in too fast and, the video didn't even play the bell. The bell is the focus !

It wobbles way too long.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:35 AM
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No. It is not made to look like, and sound like, an older bell with a dark patina. It a raw unlathed bell and up close it looks completely different, and often feels different to the touch than old lathed and finished bells.

When struck the unlathed and unfinished area tends to sound very dry and different and affects the overall sound and definition of the cymbal.There are plenty of cymbal models available these days from most of the manufacturers that are made using various versions of this technique. Sometimes the unlathed and unfinished bell area is extended out, sometimes it's in a band further down on the cymbal, and sometimes the entire cymbal is unfinished an unlathed. My son and I once owned a 22" Bosphorus Turk model that was completely unlathed and unfinished.

Here is a cymbal from Meinl with the bell and surrounding area unlathed and unfinished, and a completely unlathed and raw cymbal from Turkish. The raw texture of the unfinished part varies depending on the manufacturers intent. Sometimes the unfinished area looks and feels rougher and sometime it looks and feels smoother.

While I was a bit surprised you're never seen any cymbals using this technique before, you did say that you were not a cymbal guy.
I played around with a old un-lathe cymbal but all I liked was the bell. I go for that fire truck bell sound.They need to be thick.

Are the bells thicker gauge than the flats ?
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:06 PM
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The wash is still too much for me, comes in too fast and, the video didn't even play the bell. The bell is the focus !

It wobbles way too long.
It primarily the type of cymbal one would use for jazz. The wobble is an expected characteristic of thin jazz cymbals.
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