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Old 06-21-2019, 10:37 AM
deansdrums59 deansdrums59 is offline
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Default Luddy guys: what is this????

I came into several Ludwig drums from a school auction and this was included. From several of the projects you all have helped me through in the past few years, this is my first true venture into fixing up Ludwigs.

Can you Ludwig aficionados save me some research and let me know what this is and what I need to put on it to fix it up to make it period correct. I've looked in the snare gallery and can't seem to find something similar. It appears to have a "transition" badge but embarrassed to say I'm not truly sure what that means.

I know I've come to the right place-so lay it on me Luddy guys! No such thing as too much information if you have the time to elaborate. Dean
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Luddy guys: what is this????

Not a transition badge. Large keystone-Chicago ~'83-'84 per Rick Gier's book.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Luddy guys: what is this????

How many lugs are on this snare drum?
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:47 AM
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Snare has 10 lugs. Click image for larger version

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Old 06-21-2019, 12:43 PM
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Not a transition badge. Large keystone-Chicago ~'83-'84 per Rick Gier's book.
Yes, this is the very last Chicago badge. Off to Monroe NC soon afterwards.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:48 AM
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I'm thinking lc403 Classic.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:49 AM
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It has three holes for ?????
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:20 PM
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OddBall was really close on the ID. It's actually a L472 Rock/Concert snare.
The three holes are configured for the P-34 butt (paired with my favorite P-87 throw!!!).

EDIT: Configuring the snare with the P-87/P-32 would make it a L403.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:29 PM
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OddBall was really close on the ID. It's actually a L472 Rock/Concert snare.
The three holes are configured for the P-34 butt (paired with my favorite P-87 throw!!!).

EDIT: Configuring the snare with the P-87/P-32 would make it a L403.
Actually, Ludwig made a typo with the L403. It should say it comes with the P85, not the P87.

During this time period, all P87 strainers were matched with the P34 butt. The P85 was matched with the P32. I have a 1961 Super Classic snare drum with the P87/P32 configuration, but this wasn't offered in the 80's.

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Old 06-22-2019, 11:58 AM
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Actually, Ludwig made a typo with the L403. It should say it comes with the P85, not the P87.
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HA! Great catch.... I must have looked at these catalogs a zillion times and never noticed that boo-boo.



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So P87 strainer & a P34 butt? Do I got that right? Also, will the strainer and butt be worth more than the snare till I buy them? I'd like to do a quickie restore with everything just right before I put it out for sale. If the cost might be a hassle, I'll just sell the shell....BTW, I have the rims and snare wires. Your thoughts?
The drum would be technically correct with those components (all holes filled), but the P-34 requires a specific set of snares that are not everybody's cup of tea (it features individually adjusted wires -see attached image). If you want to use an alternative set of snare wires you can use a different butt and a standard set of wires which requires a minor modification.


So to get to your question, if you don't have any of the P-87/34 and associated snare wires parts, it will be kind of spendy to replace them in order for you to flip the shell. If I recall there isn't a huge price difference between the drums mounted with a P-87/34 vs. P-85/32 (I follow Coliseums mostly). So, I don't know that outlay will be cost and time effective.

Alternatively, you could look for used parts to save some money, which is an excellent way to go over new parts. Or you could look into modifying the components. Or you could flip the shell as is and hope for the best Also, I'm not sure how popular the blue cortex would be, seems these days the natural finishes are more desired.

Here's a link to how I modified my P-87/34 to a P87/32 combo...
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=30979
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