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Old 09-18-2018, 01:00 AM
Drumaholic Drumaholic is offline
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A 602?

A Giant Beat?

The seller says: "marked made in Sweden."

HUH? That would be a new one on me.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pai...sAAOSwRtNblGOY
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:44 AM
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Sweden..? Switzerland..?.. Some people just don't think..
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:33 AM
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BTW, the 83 Oz cymbal weight is 2353 grams.
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:12 AM
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BTW, the 83 Oz cymbal weight is 2353 grams.
That would be about right for a 602 medium-ride. But I'm going to go with Giant Beat, since none of the Paiste people here seem to know anything.

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Old 09-19-2018, 01:14 PM
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Sweden..? Switzerland..?.. Some people just don't think..
Sweden...Switzerland,.....ah who cares. Close enough anyway, they're both on planet earth.
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Old 09-23-2018, 09:38 AM
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The bell shape looks more like a 602 to me.
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Old 09-23-2018, 10:26 AM
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I think it`s the one on the top.

http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/...la-602-stamps/

It don`t have the outline pointed out by Zen.
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:38 PM
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I think it`s the one on the top.

http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/...la-602-stamps/

It don`t have the outline pointed out by Zen.
Yes it is the most common form of the 602 stamp: solid. I can't tell whether Drumaholic is just joking about that being a Giant Beat. There are 3 easy ways to tell the difference between 602 cymbals and Giant Beat cymbals from just the stamp photo supplied. Here is the auction photo:



Here is my example of the solid 602 stamp:



For contrast here is an annotated Giant Beat stamp showing easy differences you can spot even in the crummy photo given in the auction.



There are a number of other differences between the Giant Beat trademark stamp and the Formula 602 stamp. I've just indicated some useful contrasts given the poor image quality of the cymbal for sale.

Since 2016 when I wrote up the 3 main types of 602 stamps, I have also come across ones which say Made in Germany, some which have no country of origin, as well as OEM versions (like Arbiter). But in the case of this eBay sale I presume that it is a poorly pressed in (or poorly photographed) Made in Switzerland and the seller didn't bother to double check or proof read when he created the ad. He just mis-remembered or mis-typed the country as Sweeden. It happens. Not every seller gets the identifications correct and knows what to mention in an ad to get a fair price. For example, this guy left out "K" and "Istanbul" so ended up selling an 18" New Stamp for $44.95 with free shipping. Oops.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Zildjian-Vi...317?nordt=true
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