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Forum: Vintage Drums 10-09-2018, 02:08 PM
Replies: 5
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Posted By wflkurt
Re: Timeline for Ludwig Baseball Bat Muffler on toms

It seems that baseball bat mufflers first appeared sometime in later 1960 or sometime in early 1961. Prior to that Ludwig was using a small knob as the primary muffler adjustment. Around March/April...
Forum: Vintage Drums 09-21-2018, 11:34 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 581
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Vintage Ludwig Kit 3 ply? Help?

Ludwig was indeed using curved spurs in 1970. Those spurs came out around the middle of 1969 as there are a small handful of keystone badge sets with curved spurs.
Forum: Vintage Drums 09-21-2018, 11:29 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 581
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Vintage Ludwig Kit 3 ply? Help?

So re-reading the original post the numbers I see 888XXX would indicate early 1971. Would the other tom number be an 8 instead of a 6? that would make more sense to me and would also indicate an...
Forum: Vintage Drums 09-21-2018, 11:22 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 581
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Vintage Ludwig Kit 3 ply? Help?

First of all great score! This set looks like it's totally factory original with original heads and all. This topic has been discussed before but Ludwig did not offer a 20,13,16 out of any catalog...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-29-2018, 11:45 AM
Replies: 63
Views: 1,903
Posted By wflkurt
Re: What would make this kit worth $4000???

The floor tom also has a badge in the upper position yet it still has nickle hardware. The snare has a white muffler inside so I am going to guess the twp pieces(if they are in fact pieces of a one...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-07-2018, 12:16 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 764
Posted By wflkurt
Re: red drums in the attic.......

I feel your pain. I live in NH and there has been very little action with things for sale around here and I used to find all kinds of stuff years ago. I got a call once back in the 90's from some...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-30-2018, 11:47 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 579
Posted By wflkurt
Re: 1960's Ludwig drum set - need help identifying and pricing.

I think more photos are needed. The grommet on the bass drum looks odd as are the other things I mentioned. I had an April 1963 silver sparkle set once with clear interior bass drum and white painted...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-27-2018, 11:33 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 579
Posted By wflkurt
Re: 1960's Ludwig drum set - need help identifying and pricing.

Boy this is a tricky one. There are a lot of red flag things wrong with this set. I do believe this could certainly be early 60's on the shells. I have actually seen several early 60's sets with...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-24-2018, 11:25 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 353
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Are early 70's Downbeat kits rare?

They are indeed rare. Lots of drummers were playing larger sized drums and the smaller drums were pretty much pushed away in favor of larger sizes. Ludwig was/is in the business of selling drums so...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-24-2018, 11:17 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 675
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Is there such a thing as an 18" Downbeat Bass Drum?

I'm not trying to add wood to the fire but Kevin is making perfect sense. Personally I think Ludwig made catalogs to just showcase what they had available. They would put together outfits that they...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-24-2018, 10:50 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 193
Posted By wflkurt
Re: '68 Ludwig Supraphonic

I have a couple of snares from 69 that look like that. I think some of the best Ludwig drums came from 68-69.
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-17-2018, 11:33 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 487
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Ludwig Psych red on reverb

The mount up top must have been a popular mod back in the day. Not only did my clubdate suffer the double tom mount, it also got a mount up top as well. Luckily for me the center post mount was...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-11-2018, 02:19 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 225
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Wrap issues on possible buy

They are kind of high but they look all original and the color looks fantastic. Those are some strong greens! It's also common to see color patterns that don't match. The colors were different from...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-11-2018, 02:12 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 487
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Ludwig Psych red on reverb

Wow that's cool Kevin! Too bad you missed that one! A B/O badge one to boot. I don't think I have ever seen a B/O badge psych red club date. I actually found my 71 mod orange club date on here....
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-19-2018, 02:00 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 971
Posted By wflkurt
Re: 1964/1965 Ludwig set in white wrap?

My head hurts trying to figure out what exactly happened here! If these were mine I would strip off the wrap, plug extra holes(I see something funny at the front of the bass drum) and rewrap in a...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-18-2018, 02:03 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 504
Posted By wflkurt
Re: What's wrong with this CL ad? :)

I agree that this is a nice price. If this set is 80's then I would guess 1980 and no later. When modular hardware was introduced around 1981 it forced Ludwig to move the badge placement on the bass...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-01-2018, 10:23 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 745
Posted By wflkurt
Re: I picked this up today

I think you could easily build a set around this. It looks to be from the earlier part of 1968 like maybe march or April? New gold sparkle matches pretty well too so you might be able to build pieces...
Forum: Vintage Drums 03-22-2018, 11:03 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 674
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Ludwig Blue Oyster Pearl 12,13,16,20

Beautiful set. This was most undoubtedly part of a rock duo set that had two bass drums. I wonder what happened to the second bass drum? I have a rock duo from 1968.
Forum: Vintage Drums 03-22-2018, 10:58 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,104
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Ludwig Keystone Badge headscratcher

I'm with Kevin on this one. The badge looks like the ones used on legacy classics now and the grommet looks like something Ludwig would use now. Is there any kind of sticker inside? Current Ludwig...
Forum: Vintage Drums 03-02-2018, 02:26 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,677
Posted By wflkurt
Re: WFL Twin Spring Speed King pedal

That is probably a late 30's pedal. WFL started making drums in 1937 and production on this pedal was halted when the war started(as was mentioned previously). After the war though WFL started up...
Forum: Vintage Drums 02-22-2018, 11:38 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 851
Posted By wflkurt
Re: [B]1939 WFL 7 x 14 WMP TWIN SENSITIVE HOLLYWOOD SWING MODEL (Cat. No. 421)[/B]

I remember that red one you have mike and it's a beautiful example. My example is funny... It probably might have been blue back in the day but it looks pretty dark green at this point. I have seen a...
Forum: Vintage Drums 02-21-2018, 12:23 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 337
Posted By wflkurt
Re: '69 Mod orange kit in Nashville

Pretty cool. I'm not sure if I have ever seen any other 18" mod orange floor toms from the 60's. That's a rare one!
Forum: Vintage Drums 02-21-2018, 12:22 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 851
Posted By wflkurt
Re: [B]1939 WFL 7 x 14 WMP TWIN SENSITIVE HOLLYWOOD SWING MODEL (Cat. No. 421)[/B]

Beautiful drum as always Mike. I certainly have a soft spot for those drums too. I found my Lyre badge WFL in 1993 and it is the drum that got me into WFL drums. Prior to that I was only really...
Forum: Vintage Drums 02-14-2018, 03:06 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 523
Posted By wflkurt
Re: Marcus Gilmore on Gretsch RB @ Blue Note Hawaii 2/18

Wow this is great! Thanks for posting!
Forum: DRUM IMAGE GALLERY 01-31-2018, 02:11 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,288
Posted By wflkurt
Re: 1968 Ludwig Downbeat

I'm curious about the floor tom as well. Is it stamped 1968? I've never seen a floor tom made that late with a badge in the center location. Just curious. Love seeing that canister!
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