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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 12-12-2018, 02:38 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Canadian A Zildjian Flare (aka “bop”) hi hat value?

I don't pick up any detectable price difference between A Zildjian Made in Canada cymbals and A Zildjian Made in USA cymbals. I also don't pick up any detectable price difference between Flange Hats...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-12-2018, 02:11 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 243
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Re: Identify Black Beauty

False alarm on the grommet. This is not a vintage badge. As a few people have already pointed out this is the badge in use by 2012. Ludwig changed from the larger Monroe keystone and back to a...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-05-2018, 02:18 AM
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Re: 1968 Ludwig accent appraisal

I thought from looking at the shot of the drums piled up (which jonnyringo very kindly turned right side up) that the snare drum (14") is the same diameter as the floor tom (14") which would put the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-02-2018, 10:12 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Ludwig inlay Width

Mine is 1/2" on a 1969/70 Jazzette (Blue Olive badge 762696 but no date stamp).
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 12-02-2018, 09:46 PM
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Re: Vintage Zildjian

I think that's what happens when the black ink was on there for some years, then was removed. What you see is the ghosted image and it persists because during the years the black ink was present the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-29-2018, 08:39 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Future Vintage?

Most popular era for collecting does not equal most expensive era for purchase. Once the price per kit passes a certain level then "most popular era for collecting" moves somewhere else because most...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-25-2018, 12:48 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 311
Posted By zenstat
Re: My first 22" A - age?

That's an early to mid 1940s (pre Transitional) and the trademark was applied in (at least) 3 separate pieces. Each one was struck by the guy wielding a hammer. The Ottoman section is uʍop ǝpᴉsdn, as...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-24-2018, 08:33 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: My first 22" A - age?

Mechanization started to come in by the mid 1950s. Substitution of machine power for human muscles. There was still hand work in placing the cymbal and triggering the machine to put the stamp on....
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-24-2018, 02:59 PM
Replies: 15
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Posted By zenstat
Re: My first 22" A - age?

There were several changes in the technology. The earliest ones were struck, and they were struck in separate pieces. We know that because sometimes they got one part uʍop ǝpᴉsdn, and there were...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-23-2018, 05:26 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Identifying a yard sale find

I agree with the 1970s but I'm not sure how you can be 100% sure they are New Beats from the photo of the trademark stamp. :D

Based on the proportion of New Beats vs matched pairs (similar weight...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-22-2018, 08:49 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: My first 22" A - age?

If you are talking about the bend in the edge of the cymbal as seen in the profile shot, that is not closely related to the application of the die to create the trademark stamp. The bend in the edge...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-21-2018, 03:45 PM
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Re: Future Vintage?

I've had Old and New Stamp alloy tested by top labs and there isn't a difference. It's just B20. There are construction differences, particularly in the bells, as the factory changed from sledge in...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-12-2018, 05:54 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 478
Posted By zenstat
Re: Ludwig Black Oyster Pearl Downbeat

Rick spotted that I misread the number of zeros on the vertical scale of his graphs. I was using 260,000 as if it were 26,000. Time for new reading glasses methinks. So yes, 1964 +/- 6 months.
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-11-2018, 04:48 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 478
Posted By zenstat
Re: Ludwig Black Oyster Pearl Downbeat

Nice looking kit, but I'd quibble with March 1964. March because unless you have date stamps it isn't possible to get down to individual months. 1964 because that's not what the latest research...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-09-2018, 12:05 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 228
Posted By zenstat
Re: Weatherking Ambassador Coated versus Ambassador Coated

Perhaps the answer lies herein:

https://remo.com/experience/post/know-how-weatherking/

and we're talking Ambassador vs Ambassador Vintage and how these relate to the original film sizes? Are...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-07-2018, 11:01 PM
Replies: 9
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Paiste Giant Beat stamp/ID question

I look forward to finding out what the mystery S might be.

Meanwhile, here is another more recent (2018) thread where there is more detail about how to recognize a Giant Beat stamp (vs a 602...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-03-2018, 04:48 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 339
Posted By zenstat
Re: Acrophonic? Supralite?

Just for clarification to future readers:

The vertical hole spacing and hole size for the Imperial and Bow Tie lugs is the same. The lugs can be swapped easily as far as I know. I've got two...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-03-2018, 04:12 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 531
Posted By zenstat
Re: 1966 Ludwig Jazz Festival Snare - questions

Examples of pre 1968 scarf joint and wrap interface in the color which can add the most value to a drum if it is original (the Ringo effect). The wrap looks like this because it was put on the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-03-2018, 04:01 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 339
Posted By zenstat
Re: Acrophonic? Supralite?

The story is that if the factory ran low on bow tie lugs on the day of assembly they would substitute Imperial lugs. That didn't happen too often so these are relatively rare. In this case "rare"...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-03-2018, 03:49 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 260
Posted By zenstat
Re: Spot welding fissures / cracks in cymbal bell???

Here's an example of a larger fissure in a cymbal bow repaired by Jake

http://black.net.nz/cym2015/old-k-repair.jpg

and the video interview

Fusion welding cymbal repair w Jake Winebrenner -...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 11-03-2018, 03:45 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 260
Posted By zenstat
Re: Spot welding fissures / cracks in cymbal bell???

I recommend you stay away from ordinary welding and TIG welding, etc. Those cause too much heat and the metal loses temper. The interface between the bronze and the filler material, and where the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 10-31-2018, 04:41 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 6,302
Posted By zenstat
Re: 26" Paiste Formula 602 Medium Ride

Jazziz was just here for 9 days in 2011 trying to sell that cymbal.

Join Date: 05-08-2011
Last Activity: 05-16-2011 04:43 PM

If that link saying "send a message via Skype" still works, you...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 10-26-2018, 04:37 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 311
Posted By zenstat
Re: Vintage Paiste Formula 602 17'' Crash

Thanks for the additional info monkeyboy. I haven't forgotten this thread and have on my list to add an analysis of price and weight info for the 17" 602s which includes all the models (including...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 10-24-2018, 12:16 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 567
Posted By zenstat
Re: Avedis Zildjian cymbal - ID help needed

Finally sent the info on the K Custom off to Zildjian. I'm finally catching up on correspondence and little projects. The Zildjian site says it will take two working days to respond so we'll see how...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 10-19-2018, 11:53 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 601
Posted By zenstat
Re: calculate the weight of a cymbal (?)

24" cymbals with MEDIUM RIDE model ink and weight I've got on file (plus a few additions of other models to fill out the picture).

Laser serial 24" MEDIUM RIDE 3798g, 3800g (Orchestral 3357g)...
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