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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-10-2020, 03:50 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal I picked up with a 1967 OBP kit

Mica Sonic is Italian. I have attached photos of a pair of hats with better preserved markings. It is possible that in some years Mica Sonic manufacture shifted from UFIP to some other company in...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 05-13-2020, 08:43 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Mystery cymbal - please help identify

Matao. Italian made and most likely by Tosco. Tosco is most likely based on ink present on other examples of these in my records. Made for a Made In Japan (MIJ) stencil brand of drums. Here is the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 05-13-2020, 08:09 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: A. Zildjian's Made In Canada 1970's

Welcome back Phil,

Who told you? Somebody in person? Reading a web site? A book? It helps to give your references.

There are more trademarks than just the A Zildjian trademark from the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 05-13-2020, 07:48 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Original Zildjian Hollow Logo design?

I've been off on sick leave but I can't let all the outdated info which has been posted in this thread go without some comment.

The Zildjian hollow ink is 1978 to late 1982 according to Paul...
Forum: For Sale 03-12-2020, 09:00 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 2,294
Posted By zenstat
Re: FS: Camco Oaklawn 20-12-14 in Peacock Sparkle

Adding the photos as attachments is not rocket science. Any of you could have done it.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 03-10-2020, 08:44 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Ajaha cymbal

That is an X E Ajaha cymbal. Made in Italy. That trademark belongs to Gretsch who registered the trademark some time prior to 1912 (Rob Cook, The Gretsch Drum Book, 2013:248) That is an early one,...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-15-2020, 10:16 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

And my first attempt to apply similar weight classes to Paiste 602 and Sound Creation 22" cymbals is here.

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129860&stc=1&d=1581825635
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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-15-2020, 08:47 PM
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Views: 1,196
Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

First up the 22" weight ranges from LuvMyLeedy which are still in use. I had a close look and I can see how they were constructed. The ranges use a 10% range for each weight class, so construct a +5%...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-12-2020, 05:23 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

That one will have the Small Cup because that's what Zildjian used on cymbals up to 17" at that time. The MEDIUM ink is the sloping out M version which was in use for some time. Again I haven't...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-12-2020, 04:51 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

Yes that is the Special Cup. Starting some time in the 1960s Zildjian started using that cup on 18" to 20" Crash and Crash Ride models. This is already well documented, and your 18" cymbal is one of...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-12-2020, 03:21 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

I realize I also forgot to mention that the THIN ink on yours looks like the thicker version which came in maybe in the 1960s? The ink sequence is another whole topic under study. To help check my...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-12-2020, 02:46 PM
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Views: 581
Posted By zenstat
Re: Can someone help identify this Zildjian

Yes 60s trademark stamp and the typical hammering and lathing for the production era.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-12-2020, 02:24 PM
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Views: 1,196
Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

Your stamp image is sufficient quality to meet the diagnostic criteria for a 70s stamp. The alignment of H and E is enough to give a unique id. Back when there was confusion about how to tell a late...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-11-2020, 11:08 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,196
Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

I agree that is a 70s stamp. But trademarks went on up to a few years after a cymbal was made. Other production clues tell you what production era it is from. The trademark tells you what trademark...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 02-11-2020, 11:07 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,196
Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal Ink and the Evolving Understanding of Weight

I've been working on this for the last few years. Both on models and weight class ink. I've got examples from catalogs, flyers, price lists, and hundreds of cymbals with weight class ink still on...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-30-2020, 05:07 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 2,155
Posted By zenstat
Re: Why doesn't anyone reverse engineer old K's?

Moot question. It has already been done multiple times by multiple individuals and companies. The alloys are well understood and documented.

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Alloys

Even when the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-28-2020, 06:21 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,000
Posted By zenstat
Re: Info on Zildjian Canadian K brilliant finish?

This is how internet rumors get started. If you can come up with a specific reference or references then we have a chance to evaluate the evidence.

In another context you can see how Gretsch have...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-28-2020, 06:10 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,000
Posted By zenstat
Re: Info on Zildjian Canadian K brilliant finish?

I remember seeing a newspaper report about that fire but I've misplaced whatever reference I had to it. Do you happen to have a reference or link Bill?

I tried to introduce the term burnished (vs...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-28-2020, 01:52 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,000
Posted By zenstat
Re: Info on Zildjian Canadian K brilliant finish?

I don't have an accurate figure for what proportion of Canadian Ks were brilliant finish. Certainly some were, as I've seen others. Brilliant finish was done with a machine which was patented by...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-13-2020, 01:05 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 605
Posted By zenstat
Re: Stamp ID if possible

Looks like the 1.5" tall version of the 60s stamp to me. My methods aren't 100% to tell all 1.5" 60s from 1.25" 60s unless you put a ruler next to it. But they are pretty good:
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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-11-2020, 08:30 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 731
Posted By zenstat
Re: 1960s Zildjian New Beat Top - Thin/Dark

Patience is rewarded.

The look of the trademark stamp on your new bottom make me think it might be the 1.5" tall version of the 60s stamp. Is it the taller version, or are my eyes deceiving me on...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-10-2020, 04:47 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 5,874
Posted By zenstat
Re: Sabian Cymbal Timeline

I don't see a "1980 Slingerland catalog", but I've got a scan of a reputed 1983 catalog and p28 shows this family portrait which may be the source of the discussion. What I see looks like Sabian...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-10-2020, 04:28 PM
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Views: 5,874
Posted By zenstat
Re: Sabian Cymbal Timeline

Thanks coll3ctor. Buying and uploading is a great help. That is the bottom ink that I used to think was the earliest form. Then others came along claiming that the earliest ones didn't have the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-10-2020, 02:25 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 5,874
Posted By zenstat
Re: Sabian Cymbal Timeline

A timeline for Sabian will be part of the Cymbal Wiki

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Sabian

but for now there is only a stub.

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Sabian

I have a lot of information...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 01-08-2020, 06:01 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,172
Posted By zenstat
Re: mystery old avedis cymbal

The hollow ink Zildjian has been added later. I've come across 5 or so where this has been done. Plus the hollow ink Zildjian goes on the bottom not the top. It was in use from 1978 to mid 1982.
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