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Forum: Vintage Drums 01-30-2022, 01:36 PM
Replies: 15
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Posted By K.O.
Re: Budget-line drums from the Big Four?

The thing to remember about all the American made "budget" line drums mentioned above is that they used the same shells as their upper tier brethren . The cost savings mostly revolved around the lug...
Forum: Vintage Drums 01-07-2022, 04:00 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,014
Posted By K.O.
Re: All the mod colors

There have been citrus mod sets lurking under Black Panther but most BP sets are just BP. The citrus Mod ones were shells they had already wrapped that were sitting around the plant waiting for...
Forum: Vintage Drums 01-06-2022, 09:51 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 2,326
Posted By K.O.
Re: Downbeat vs clubdate

Also, just to be persnickety, there were no Downbeat drums. There was a 12/14/20 outfit called the Downbeat but the drums in it were the same as any other drums those sizes in any other outfits, or...
Forum: Vintage Drums 01-06-2022, 09:44 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,014
Posted By K.O.
Re: All the mod colors

Citrus is by far the rarest. It just didn't sell very well. Mod Orange is much more common by comparison. It's not common but there's a fair amount out there. Psychedelic Red stayed in the catalog...
Forum: Vintage Drums 01-04-2022, 09:26 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 617
Posted By K.O.
Re: Help identifying Ludwig hi-hat stand

Yeah, that model survived well into the 1980s. The final ones had the big black plastic handles on them. One of my all time favorites. Not adjustable but as long as the spring is good they just seem...
Forum: Vintage Drums 01-04-2022, 09:22 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 2,326
Posted By K.O.
Re: Downbeat vs clubdate

I tend to agree with Mike. I think Club Dates are a bit more open sounding. The only difference is in the lugs, The shells were the same and a shell could be pulled off a stack and become either a CD...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-30-2021, 09:36 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,031
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Club Date

I bought a WMP Club Date bass drum and tom at the local Salvation Army for $60 about 10 years ago. It was caked with dust but nearly pristine underneath other than the wrap had turned a nice...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-30-2021, 09:29 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 491
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig's change to lug positioning, 1968?

Several production details were changed around 1968 and I don't think it's completely coincidental that they started building the Standard series drums right alongside the Classic drums at that same...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-26-2021, 08:05 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 753
Posted By K.O.
Re: DW Slingerland

They'll have to use the name on some sort of drum at some point to keep the trademark in effect. Whether that means an actual separate line of drums or just sticking Slingerland badges on a few DW...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-26-2021, 02:16 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 1,322
Posted By K.O.
Re: Scarf or no scarf

All the three ply shells have a scarf joint so I assume you're talking about whether the wrap goes into the joint or not. Certainly there would be some transitional overlap as shells made with the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 12-26-2021, 01:48 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 491
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig's change to lug positioning, 1968?

Perhaps the bean counters figured that by simply changing the position of the lugs closer to the edge of the shells (which would cost nothing to implement other than changing the measurements) they...
Forum: Vintage Drums 11-05-2021, 08:56 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,709
Posted By K.O.
Re: Downbeat

Just to clarify...The drums in a Downbeat set are the same as the drums in any other Ludwig catalog outfit. The names just refer to the particular combination of drum sizes and hardware. There seems...
Forum: Vintage Drums 09-03-2021, 08:05 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 3,094
Posted By K.O.
Re: KENT drums

To be fair my Kents didn't have reso heads or hoops on them and the basement was REALLY damp...to the point where I would not leave my snare or cymbals there when not rehearsing. To be honest I...
Forum: Vintage Drums 09-02-2021, 09:44 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 3,094
Posted By K.O.
Re: KENT drums

I bought the book and it arrived a couple days ago. Generally I'm impressed with it. There are some spelling errors here and there but overall it's nicely done. I don't regret buying it and with...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-04-2021, 09:49 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 807
Posted By K.O.
Re: Please help identify this Rail Mount!

You're missing a carriage bolt that holds the telephone dial in place. Goes through that square hole in the upright and through the center hole of the dial. When you tighten it the pin in one of the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-02-2021, 07:54 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,749
Posted By K.O.
Re: Identifying Ludwig Standard ply woods

Probably right I was just throwing a number out there to make a point, although I think it might be closer to 70% poplar to 30% maple/mahogany. Of course I'm not getting the micrometer out to check...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-02-2021, 12:43 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,749
Posted By K.O.
Re: Identifying Ludwig Standard ply woods

For all practical purposes vintage Ludwig shells are poplar. The mahogany and/or maple plies that "sandwich" the poplar are very thin veneers. It does seem that they play a part in the overall sound...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-25-2021, 09:58 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 4,293
Posted By K.O.
Re: Replacement gull-wing spurs for '68 Ludwig

It wouldn't be that difficult to create you own custom ones from 3/8ths " rod. Or have a local machine shop do it.

Have you checked out INDe spurs? They may be longer and you could replace your...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-19-2021, 08:22 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,546
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Porto seat question

Hey, if your butt can take it then why not. I used the round version for about 20 years. That design is a bit more stable with the larger footprint tripod base but the seat itself still lacks much in...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-17-2021, 08:59 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,655
Posted By K.O.
Re: Some old non-descript Ludwigs

The lugs would identify them as Rocker model drums of some sort. Hard to judge much beyond that from the pictures.

Still, unless there is some type of structural defect in them like wood rot or...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-17-2021, 08:55 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,546
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Porto seat question

Just by way of verification here's a picture of a 70's porto seat.

I don't think that would be the correct base on an earlier red throne though.

These are very uncomfortable (and possibly...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-17-2021, 08:40 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 3,630
Posted By K.O.
Re: Anyone remember the Gretsch Birdland kit that was discovered....

I vaguely recall a Caddy Green set that popped up on Ebay around 20 years ago and eventually sold for $15K. Is that the one?

I think this is a picture I saved from that auction...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-13-2021, 08:51 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 1,546
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Porto seat question

They used that base on the 70's version.
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-07-2021, 08:10 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 4,293
Posted By K.O.
Re: Replacement gull-wing spurs for '68 Ludwig

The question is...."are those any longer than the originals?"
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-07-2021, 08:09 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 17,165
Posted By K.O.
Re: WFL jazz festival?

Most likely they were mixed up at some point during the drum's life when someone took it apart for whatever reason. Who knows? I tore mine apart at one point for some reason (which now escapes me)...
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