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jda 01-13-2020 10:03 AM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
no el comprehendo

jda 01-13-2020 10:09 AM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyringo (Post 456571)
If he was testing different snares he wouldn't need a whole kit to demonstrate the difference. By using the same snare for each kit he was taking the attention away from the snare, only using it to be able to hear the kit played and not just hitting the toms and kick drums. It made total sense.

1948 Slingerland Radio King 24“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in White Marine Pearl
1972 Slingerland Sound King 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Black Diamond Pearl
1967 Ludwig Super Classic 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Blue Oyster Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in Clear
Late 1960’s Swingstar 20“ x 14“, 12“ x 8“, 14“ x 14“ in Fantasia Pearl
1970’s Sonor Champion 22“ x 14“, 13“ x 9“, 16“ x 16“ in rewrapped in Scandi Birch Grain

All Drums are played with a 1968 Ludwig Supraphonic in 14“ x 5“

The Ludwig snare went only with Ludwig kits. Is inaccurate representation (of each brands sound) to mix Ludwig with the other makes when they each had their own snare (which he left out) from their respective companies

So, among the many other things, it wasn't a full true ( was half-baked) kit comparison ; far from an "Ultimate Vintage Drums Comparison".

But if someone got something anything from it he succeeded.
I don't know why listing the colors, btw, had anything either to do with it. Could have been titled "Comparison Of Older Things In My Shop with a Ludwig snare" comparison.

johnnyringo 01-13-2020 11:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jda (Post 456578)
1948 Slingerland Radio King 24 x 14, 13 x 9, 16 x 16 in White Marine Pearl
1972 Slingerland Sound King 22 x 14, 13 x 9, 16 x 16 in Black Diamond Pearl
1967 Ludwig Super Classic 22 x 14, 13 x 9, 16 x 16 in Blue Oyster Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite 22 x 14, 13 x 9, 16 x 16 in Clear
Late 1960s Swingstar 20 x 14, 12 x 8, 14 x 14 in Fantasia Pearl
1970s Sonor Champion 22 x 14, 13 x 9, 16 x 16 in rewrapped in Scandi Birch Grain

All Drums are played with a 1968 Ludwig Supraphonic in 14 x 5

The Ludwig snare went only with Ludwig kits. Is inaccurate representation (of each brands sound) to mix Ludwig with the other makes when they each had their own snare (which he left out) from their respective companies

So, among the many other things, it wasn't a full true ( was half-baked) kit comparison ; far from an "Ultimate Vintage Drums Comparison".

But if someone got something anything from it he succeeded.
I don't know why listing the colors, btw, had anything either to do with it. Could have been titled "Comparison Of Older Things In My Shop with a Ludwig snare" comparison.

You're right, how did I miss that? Every kit sounded like a Ludwig because of that darn supraphonic.
Btw, I notice you have the finish for each of your kits too. Hmmmm

wayne 01-13-2020 11:34 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
WHEN drums are tuned that low almost every drum will sound the same, entry level or high end. Some will figure out by this that there are not any earth shattering differences in any similar kit configuration. The audience would never hear it, and either would anyone else ….EXCEPT... maybe another overly critical drummer, who is looking for something to justify how his drums sound so much better!...its all marketing !!!

DrumBob 01-14-2020 07:51 AM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
I agree the toms and bass drums all sounded pretty much the same, and probably because they were tuned so ridiculously low. That video was hardly the last word on vintage drum tone.

johnnyringo 01-14-2020 08:24 AM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
He sounds like a rock drummer, so I'm sure that's why they were tuned lower and the 3ply shells with the rounded edges tend to favor the lower tunings. Not to mention most of the kits have bigger drums, not really what you'd use in a small jazz combo.
I doubt if they were tuned higher there would had been a big difference anyway except for the smaller kit.

OddBall 01-14-2020 06:51 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
All I could hear was the F`n snare buzz. Guy's a F`n moron......How are we supposed to hear a difference with snare buzz over the toms ? Every BD sounded like a snare drum.....WTF ??? Why do people do that ??

The Champion kit is Aug. 1978 and six ply with rounded edges. You should clearly be able to tell the difference, plus he's got a pillow in the BD's, so much for a sound test......

DrumBob 01-14-2020 08:06 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OddBall (Post 456630)
All I could hear was the F`n snare buzz. Guy's a F`n moron......How are we supposed to hear a difference with snare buzz over the toms ? Every BD sounded like a snare drum.....WTF ??? Why do people do that ??

The Champion kit is Aug. 1978 and six ply with rounded edges. You should clearly be able to tell the difference, plus he's got a pillow in the BD's, so much for a sound test......

I noticed the snare buzz, and all the bass drums sounded like dead shoeboxes with that stupid pillow inside. God, I hate that sound. It's so typical of drummers who have no clue that a bass drum should have some resonance to it. I have such a hard time with some of the people I play with, most of whom want a dead bass drum, just a thud.

Most of the time, when I sit in on someone else's drums, they have huge pillows stuffed inside their bass drums. I just want to ask, "Why?"

wayne 01-14-2020 11:31 PM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
Check out Maxwells drums for comparisons, he has the experience these young guys don't have, but give them credit for trying. There are a lot of people on forums that are all talk and little substance....you know who.

johnnyringo 01-15-2020 12:15 AM

Re: Vintage Drums Comparison
 
Damn you guys are a critical bunch. Snare buzz? That's what a snare does, it buzzes. Other than the kick drums being a bit too muffled, I thought all the drums sounded good.
In comparison, here's a Steve Maxwell video of a similar kit, he's a jazz guy and has it tuned for a big band setting. I doubt you'd get away with a kick that wide open in a studio or live rock or pop show. I used a 13,16,22 Slingerland at a big venue with the kick only having a felt strip on the batter side, the first thing the soundman did was stick towels inside it.


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