Fake old k for sale
warning all these OLD K certainly fake for sale :
2x zildjian old k rides 20" https://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/annonces...-k-1937915.jpg https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436559 zildjian old k rides 21" https://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/annonces...-k-1937941.jpg https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436574 zildjian old k ride 22" https://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/annonces...-k-1937948.jpg https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436575 zildjian old k ride 21" https://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/annonces...-k-1937954.jpg https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436579 Zildjian old k hh14" https://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/annonces...ian-old-k.jpg? https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436557 all sold by the same seller ... I contacted him says the origin is uncertain but nice cymbals ... |
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How do they "fake" these cymbals? Do they stamp no name cymbals within the weight ranges or something?
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Amazing. The first two would be hard to distinguish based on the cymbal itself, but the stamp fails under scrutiny. The last three are jokes - they don't even look like good Chinese cymbals. The stamps on the last two aren't even close. Some day these counterfeits could make it increasingly difficult to discern real from fake -- just like the antique market in China. The first two here are getting close. Thanks for outing them.
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2x zildjian old k rides 20" https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436559 zildjian old k rides 21" https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436574 look carefully, they have the writing ZILOJIAN with O ! These zildjian old k ride 22" https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436575 Zildjian old k hh14" https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436557 missing the half moon, it is impossible that a so rare printing error he has three cymbals, the hat is artificially corroded with chlore These zildjian old k ride 21" https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1436579 has the stamp &Cie Constantinople (early 1900s), size 21", would be the holy grail of the all cymbals, but the shape does not match in any way the bell is pressed not hand made, also the cymbal is perfect round looks like an Agop manufactured yesterday 7 cymbals all fake and artificially aged |
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The zilOjian fakes have been around for some years. Here's one from eBay in 2013:
http://black.net.nz/cym2013/zilojian4.jpg http://black.net.nz/cym2013/zilojian3.jpg http://black.net.nz/cym2013/zilojian2.jpg http://black.net.nz/cym2013/zilojian1.jpg It was from France as these new examples are. Back then they appeared to be Turkish made cymbals stamped with a trademark to make them seem like real old Ks. But the stamp didn't pass close inspection, and neither did the production clues like hammering and lathing. These might date from the same time, or they might represent a new outbreak. I haven't seen fakes of the Intermediate trademark nor the Old K Constantinople trademark before. If you search this forum for fake old Ks you find the original posts on these. Some links and photos are gone, some remain. 2010: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/show...ght=fake+old+k 2011: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=22370 2012: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=28923 2013: the zilOjian thread with the French eBay one: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=37012 2014: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=45068 http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=44575 http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=43827 2015: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=50046 I've added these new ones to my archive of fakes. I guess if the situation worsens I should up the priority to add a section to my Which K Stamp? tool on how to spot fakes which does a detailed comparison of the real trademarks and the fake trademarks as a public service. There is money to be made in faking the trademarks because it can add hundreds or even a thousand dollars to the price of an otherwise ordinary Turkish made cymbal. I don't have any previous evidence of Chinese sourced cymbals being treated in this way, although that doesn't mean it isn't happening. |
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Thanks guys!! I`ve learned something today...
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indeed, if someone is able to faithfully reproduce the old k would do well to put their name and sell many item in accordance with the law as Roberto Spizzichino did, rather than sell a few item counterfeits that is more difficult and risking with the law, those first new "zilojian" seem very well maked and look like the Chinese pangs that are seen on Ebay, they all seem to be made by hand and not pressed must also feel them as they play because in the end what matters is not what it looks like but the quality from the bronze alloy, which from the old K still nobody has ever succeeded to reproduce |
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I wouldn't surprised if very, very hard to spot Old K fakes start showing up here in droves (if they aren't already here). With all the Turkish style B20 cymbals being made by numerous manufacturers (here, in Turkey and in China) combined with the huge prices of the originals, it easily could happen.
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The typo in "Zildjian" might be an attempt to dodge possible lawsuits?
Like the Abidas sneakers... I'd really like to hear these cymbals. They look very well made. |
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