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O-Lugs 07-19-2017 11:10 PM

Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Okay, so I still have two red sparkle Jazzette kits -a 1967 and a 1969

Years ago, I wrote an article for Not So Modern Drummer Magazine about the Ludwig Jazzette kit. I learned a lot in my research and one of the things that kept standing out to me, was the fact that Bud Slingerland and Bill Ludwig had a healthy competitive rivalry that included acquiring the most popular drummers of the day, as endorsers.

Now, as the story goes, around 1965, Roy Haynes (who was one of THE names in the world of jazz drumming, at the time -and a Slingerland endorser), bought an Alpha Romeo sports car and, in order to fit his kit into that car, he modified his Slingerland 18 X 14 bass drum by changing out the resonant side wood hoop for an 18" tom tom hoop and replaced the T-rods, as well....in doing so, cut about 2" off the overall depth. He kept the batter side wood hoop so he could attach the pedal to it.

Sometime around 1965, Slingerland came up with the "Jet" kit -which utilized Roy's metal, tom tom rim bass drum idea and a special pedal attachment thingy to allow both ends of the bass drum to have the rims.

But sometime that year, Haynes jumped ship and began endorsing Ludwig...and, in that transition, the Ludwig Jazzette was born -as I contend, to fulfill Haynes' request for shallower bass drum. As we know, Ludwig just shortened the shell by 2" and kept the traditional wood hoop/T-rod aesthetic.

The 1967 catalog was the first to show the Jazzette kit as a sale item. But, I recently stumbled onto this rare video of Roy playing a (what appears to be) a Mahogany Jazzette kit in a 1966 concert in Europe. Check it out:



Interestingly. once Hayne left Slingerland, the Jet kit never became popular and was relegated to the "Oh well!" pile and subsequently discontinued (making them exceedingly rare, today, btw!)

Cheers!

mlayton 07-20-2017 12:02 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Great story. Thanks for sharing all that. Did the Jets kits only come with 18" bass drums? Highly possible to have a '66 Jazette since there was a gap in Ludwig's catalogs jumping from '64 to '67.

O-Lugs 07-20-2017 12:33 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Yep, the Jet kit was as specific as was the Jazzette when it came to the small bass drums...and I believe it was all due to the "fight" for the Haynes endorsement -trying to fulfill his wishes. I'm just speculating, but, there was a LOT of competition and oneupmanship between Slingerland and Ludwig in those days! And the Slingerland kit was modeled after Haynes' own modification -whereas Ludwig, by contrast, accommodated the specifications in a different manner by just making a shallower (18 X 12) shell. I know you know this already...I'm just stating it for educational purposes for the rest of the forum! ;)

markrocks68 07-20-2017 12:36 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
That is cool. & thanks for posting this video!

Dan Boucher 07-20-2017 05:26 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
They sound great except the Supra sounds a bit mushy compared to what you'd normally hear. His style has an intensity similar to Art Blakey's.

slingerfan 07-20-2017 11:08 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlayton (Post 415402)
Great story. Thanks for sharing all that. Did the Jets kits only come with 18" bass drums? Highly possible to have a '66 Jazette since there was a gap in Ludwig's catalogs jumping from '64 to '67.

The "Jet Outfit" was cataloged by Slingerland from '64-'71. Early kits had the 18" bass drum as standard with the 20" being an option. '67 and later kits used the 20" bass as standard. Chrome hoops for both sizes with a special clip on pedal.

wflkurt 07-20-2017 11:11 AM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O-Lugs (Post 415405)
Yep, the Jet kit was as specific as was the Jazzette when it came to the small bass drums...and I believe it was all due to the "fight" for the Haynes endorsement -trying to fulfill his wishes. I'm just speculating, but, there was a LOT of competition and oneupmanship between Slingerland and Ludwig in those days! And the Slingerland kit was modeled after Haynes' own modification -whereas Ludwig, by contrast, accommodated the specifications in a different manner by just making a shallower (18 X 12) shell. I know you know this already...I'm just stating it for educational purposes for the rest of the forum! ;)

I remember your jazzette sets. Specifically that 1969 set. If I recall you got it from a member here who's wife found it at a yard sale! I love 1969 era Ludwig drums and this one is a real beauty! Is there still a pic of it on this site? I have a 1972-3ish jazzette in silver sparkle that I love. They are really cool drums to have. Great story.

orangemi 07-20-2017 12:10 PM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
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Late 50's early 60's Gretsch "jazzette" endorser 12x18 BD.

DownTownFarmer 07-20-2017 03:20 PM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wflkurt (Post 415419)
I remember your jazzette sets. Specifically that 1969 set. If I recall you got it from a member here who's wife found it at a yard sale! I love 1969 era Ludwig drums and this one is a real beauty! Is there still a pic of it on this site? I have a 1972-3ish jazzette in silver sparkle that I love. They are really cool drums to have. Great story.

Strangely, I find I have a great desire to see a picture of these silver sparkle jazzettes of which you speak. :)

Mitch

mlayton 07-20-2017 05:23 PM

Re: Ludwig Jazzettes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DownTownFarmer (Post 415427)
Strangely, I find I have a great desire to see a picture of these silver sparkle jazzettes of which you speak. :)

Mitch

+1. Yes!! Would love to see those.


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