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D-Rum 01-09-2020 04:27 PM

New Project! Big Fat 70s Luddys
 
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Hey everyone! I haven’t done a refinish project in a long time and just picked up some 3 ply early 70s Ludwig's. 12x15, 16x18, and 14x24. I just finished stripping off the wrap and have a few questions. See pics attached.

1. I did a pretty good job taking the wrap off. Rack tom came out completely unscathed. Floor tom took a few very small splinters of wood, but nothing concerning. The kick drum took out a few larger splinters, but nothing super terrible. I’m wondering if I need to peel back the larger splinters and fill them with wood filler (See pic). I plan on wrapping these, so I don’t know if that’s necessary.

2. I noticed that the kick drum has a small chunk taken out of the bearing edge on the reso side. I did not do this, but somehow managed to miss this when I bought it. Luckily it’s the bass drum, but what should I expect from this and should I fill it with something?

3. Last question is what should I expect from these drums? I’m new to 3 plys. The other kits I’ve refinished were all late 70s/early 80s Ludwigs and were 6 ply. I’ve heard 3 plys are not quite as loud and tend to have a warmer “boomier” sound, but just thought I’d ask you guys anyway since I’m already ranting. I really just like big drums with a huge, full sound, so I’m hoping I get at least that.

Thanks for comments in advance! I’m excited to finish these up. It’s been a few years since I’ve even owned a kit and I’m ready to play again. Longest break from drums I’ve ever taken and I’ve played for roughly 25 years.

DownTownFarmer 01-10-2020 07:31 PM

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1) I think the wrap will push it down but if you're worried put some wood glue on the area and clamp it down with some wax paper between clamp and shell.


2) The nick is tiny and won't make a nick of difference :). But if you're worried about it yes fill it with wood filler or glue+sawdust.


3) You're going to love them!

Mo Tonkie 01-10-2020 08:00 PM

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I agree with the wood filler and wood glue suggestions.
As far as sound, the 3-ply, 24-in kicks are some of the best sounding kicks I've heard- fat and boomy. I typically prefer the sound and tone of the 6 ply toms versus 3 ply toms, but since your toms are big they should sound extra fat and boomy like your kick, though not as loud as 6 ply drums would be. I think you'll like 'em.

D-Rum 01-12-2020 01:51 PM

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Thanks guys! Not too worried about the bearing edge yet. Hopefully it just booms and sounds good! I’ll probably put a felt strip there and just see what happens.

Just picked up some goof off and some stripper to get the glue off of the shells. Will probably glue down some of the big splinters and fill some small areas here and there and they’ll be ready to wrap! I’ll be sure to share some pictures once they’re finished :)

drumfx 01-12-2020 03:36 PM

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What about just putting a few coats of lacquer instead of wrapping them? Are the shells too banged up? When i get nice mahogany tubs, i treat the shell with wax or polish as much as possible.

D-Rum 01-13-2020 10:22 AM

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drumFX-Those are gorgeous. I’ve definitely thought about that. The mahogany looks great, but I’ve never wrapped a kit before and I really like the “Ginger glitter” wrap Ive found. Also, I’m having a hell of a time getting the glue off (as expected :))

On that note-For getting the old glue off, I’m using an orange citrus stripping gel and goof off. I’ll put a thick coat of gel on for 30-45 minutes, scrape it with a plastic scraper and then put some goof off on the rough side of a kitchen sponge and try to rub the rest off. So far I’ve gotten about 1/4 of the glue off with about 4-5 goes using that process. There is still a very little bit of “fuzzy” residual glue left and a couple of small areas that is just clean wood. Is it imperative I strip it completely clean to wrap them? I kind of want to regardless because I’m just sort OCD about it, but I haven’t even gotten finished with the rack Tom yet and still have two giant drums to go haha.

drumfx 01-13-2020 12:34 PM

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If you want to....But you definitely don't have to. Is it regular thickness wrap? If so, i like to use hi-bond 3m carpet tape to wrap drums. I stay away from the glues for obvious reasons. I have wrapped probably 60-65 kits so far with that stuff.

D-Rum 01-13-2020 01:15 PM

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Oh man. Tape sounds great haha. I donít have the wrap in hand, but I assume it is a standard thickness. Iíve not done a lot of research on tape vs glue, but Iíll look into it.

Iíll attach a picture of where I am on this rack Tom. You can see at the bottom of the picture, the shell is nice and smooth, which takes a hell of a lot of work to achieve. At the top of the picture is just after scraping off the gel and rubbing it with some goof off. Not really putting any elbow grease in it leaves some fuzzy glue left behind, but is still fairly smooth.

leedybdp 01-13-2020 02:57 PM

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There are two camps regarding the tape method with no neutral people among those who have wrapped drums. I am a champion for the high bond two-sided tape method. It works just fine if you take your time. This method is also more forgiving if you ever want to change the wrap for another color. I would not obsess with getting the shells as smooth as a baby's back side. just get them fairly smooth, and then prime them with a light color paint for light colored wrap or darker primer paint for a darker color wrap. The tape will bond very well with a completely dried primered shell.

D-Rum 01-13-2020 05:31 PM

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Is priming the drum crucial? Just curious. Also where do you actually put the tape? This is sounding pretty nice.

I went to a local drum restoration shop just a bit ago and the guy mentioned that sometimes drums would have high and low spots in the shell which could sometimes cause air bubbles after wrapping. Which, I suppose could also happen with tape too. Never thought/heard of that before, but it makes sense.


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