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BosLover 06-18-2019 04:07 PM

Type II Trans stamp
 
My son Dan scored a 22 inch Type II trans stamp, (based on Drumaholic's research and Zenstat's documentation) which is presumably from around 1949. It weighs in at a very thin 1900 grams! It a very complex sounding cymbal that plays and sounds very differently depending on where you hit it over the entire cymbal, probably as a result of the varying weight distribution. In the sweet spot I identified, this cymbal is dark, woody and awesome.

It just came today. He bought it a few days ago at Steve Maxwell's NYC store and had it shipped. He probably overpaid for it, but it is definitely one sweet cymbal. I will eventually add a sound file.

The Type II stamp, based on Zenstat's documentation, is slightly bigger and has several characteristics which differentiate it from other trans stamps. If I've misspoken or left something out, I'm sure Drumaholic will set me straight. :)


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Drumaholic 06-18-2019 04:21 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
All correct. Also I heard this very cymbal in person when I was there about 6 weeks ago. Good one.

BosLover 06-18-2019 04:42 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumaholic (Post 447813)
All correct. Also I heard this very cymbal in person when I was there about 6 weeks ago. Good one.

Glad you liked it. My son will appreciate that. Whenever you spend a lot of money on something, getting affirmation from someone you trust is a confidence booster. My son's quest in recent years has been the acquisition of a thin 22" trans stamp. They seem to be scarcer than hen's teeth. It was a 30th birthday gift to himself, so, he's got one now.

mlayton 06-18-2019 07:34 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
To find a 22" Trans Stamp at that weight surely doesn't happen often. Great find. That would be a keeper. Enjoy!

Mike

BosLover 06-18-2019 08:04 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlayton (Post 447818)
To find a 22" Trans Stamp at that weight surely doesn't happen often. Great find. That would be a keeper. Enjoy!

Mike

It has a very complex sound in part because of the uneven weight distribution, and in part because of the shape of the bow which is not symmetrical all the way around. On one side the bow is slightly flatter than the other side. I put the cymbal on the floor and it seems to lay flat, so it's not bent. I'm guessing it was hammered that way from the start. it's not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. In any case as a result there is a lot of different voicings all over the cymbal which makes it quite interesting to play, The heavier side, which is also the deeper part of the bow, is the location of the sweet spot with the warmest and woodiest sticking. It is just about where the stamp is impressed.

I had never seen a Type II trans stamp before. It's very different from the other trans stamps. At first I was worried it wasn't a trans stamp at all, but rather a 50's A stamp, in which case my son would have grossly overpaid for it. Thankfully I had Zenstats documentation based on Drumaholic's research and was able to confirm what it was. I'm glad I was able to do that because I was starting to panic. Cooked Egg My son may be 30 with a life of his own, but he's still my son. :)

I'm cool and relaxed now. Coffee Break2

Agopsalott 06-18-2019 09:19 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Wow that's thin. I have two 22 in the 22-2400 range. That one must be pretty sweet. Congrats.

BosLover 06-18-2019 10:27 PM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mlayton (Post 447818)
To find a 22" Trans Stamp at that weight surely doesn't happen often. Great find. That would be a keeper. Enjoy!

Mike

I am concerned about the possibility of stress fractures developing in such an old and thin cymbal. My son is a jazz player and not a heavy hitter, but he intends to use this 70 year old pie for jazz. He also gigs with a Type IV 20" trans stamp which he uses mostly for musicals and other stage productions, but it's not anywhere close to being as thin as this one. On the positive side he's been playing for 20 years and has never broken a cymbal yet.

Drumaholic 06-19-2019 12:39 AM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Type II's are the rarest of all 4 types. And that one that you got there is the only one that I've ever seen my nearly 40 of cymbal hunting.

I've found that these type II's tend to be closer in manufacturing characteristics to the type I's rather that the later type III's.

Agopsalott 06-19-2019 01:27 AM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
Old 22 A's that thin will require some finesse and a light touch to get the optimum sound. Definition and clarity will max out at a lower volume than he might be used to. Obviously hitting it harder won't help, although one of the characteristics of these particular old A's is their uncanny ability to hold a stick sound at a thin weight. Nylon tip sticks might help.

Drumaholic 06-19-2019 02:18 AM

Re: Type II Trans stamp
 
My personal choice would be to use Vic Firth AJ-6.


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